Road names and numbers

[kenh]

I've been going through the TAR guide book trying to mark all the routes on the maps. Unfortunately, some maps refer to roads by numbers and some by names. The guide book sometimes uses names and sometimes uses numbers. I've been able to identify some roads using three different maps, two online map services, and Google. I'm still at a loss trying to find CR380, CR353, and CR310. I'm not even sure what county they are in. Perhaps we can compile a list of named roads and their corresponding road numbers.

[Richard Gibbens]

Ken,

I ran across this issue when putting together the routes. Often a map will have the road listed by County Road # while the actual sign on the road lists the road name and not the CR#.

To help riders identify the correct roads when mapping their routes I made a master map and posted it on a display board. The master map had every road on each route labeled with CR# and/or road name. I hung the master map up on Thur & Fri evening at the Lazy T so that riders could use it to mark their own personal maps. I saw quite a few riders referencing the master map each evening.

I'll bring the master map again next year. In the meantime, a list of named roads and their corresponding road numbers is a fine idea.

[kenh]

Cedar Creek road is confusing. Best I can tell from the maps, its northern-most point is a deadend about 3/4 mile after it intersects RR674 (not SR674), about halfway between SR674 and CR41. At CR41, Cedar Creek Road heads ESE about 3 miles to intersect White Mountain Road. Then, Cedar Creek Road either ends, or it is the same road as White Mountain Road as it heads south about 10 miles to intersect Cedar Creek Road, which from that intersection is also CR280 to the east and CR201 to the west. There are no further references to White Mountain Road south or east of the CR201/CR208 intersection. Best I can tell from the maps, CR201/Cedar Creek Road Runs SSW into Kinney County and eventually crosses SR674.

From Ride 3: CR 380 east to Barksdale

The only roads I can find entering Barksdale are SR55, which goes through Barksdale; CR210, which approaches from the west; CR211 (Dry Creek Road), which approaches from the east, and; Engleking Road, also called Market Road, approaching from the southwest. Engleking Road leads only to a cluster of loops that all terminate on SR55 north of Camp Wood.

CR210 runs about 2.5 miles WSW to an intersection with CR24 and Spring Creek Road. Is CR210 also CR380?

CR24 runs NNW 8-10 miles, pretty much along a branch of the river (4 crossings), to intersect CR208 (Cedar Creek Road) from the south.

My maps do not show SR674 leaving Rocksprings. Instead, US377 heads WSW from SR55 2.5-3 miles before SR674 breaks off to the south. Is this correct?

Also, my maps show a road labeled RR674 breaking off SE from SR674 about 6 miles from US377. RR674 intersects Cedar Creek Road after 6-7 miles. Is RR674 the road the guide calls "Cedar Creek Road"? Cedar Creek Road does intersect SR674 10 or 12 miles north of Bracketville. Should I take the RR674 route or ride the 35 miles or so on SR674 to the "real" Cedar Creek Road?

Spring Creek Road proceeds west several miles to a dead end. About 2.5 miles after the intersection with CR24, a road bears south. This unknown road (CR37?) meanders quite a bit before it ends ends at CR210, maybe 8 or 10 miles of fun road.

Are we confused, yet?

My guess is leave Rocksprings on US377 west,
south on SR674,
south on RR674 (guidebook Cedar Creek Road),
south on White Mountain Road (guidebook CR350),
east on the other Cedar Creek Road/CR208 (guidebook CR 355),
south on CR24, which becomes CR210/Spring Creek Road into Barksdale (guidebook CR380).

Am I close?

[kenh]

admin said:

Ken,

I ran across this issue when putting together the routes. Often a map will have the road listed by County Road # while the actual sign on the road lists the road name and not the CR#.

To help riders identify the correct roads when mapping their routes I made a master map and posted it on a display board. The master map had every road on each route labeled with CR# and/or road name. I hung the master map up on Thur & Fri evening at the Lazy T so that riders could use it to mark their own personal maps. I saw quite a few riders referencing the master map each evening.

I'll bring the master map again next year. In the meantime, a list of named roads and their corresponding road numbers is a fine idea.

Hmmm? Can I get a copy of the master map? I'm planning to do Chug's Hotter Than Hell River Romp in August, after a few weeks exploring the Smokies in the Carolinas and the Ozarks, with maybe an Iron Butt from TX to NC. I'd appreciate any input you could give on the best loops out of Camp Wood. I plan to hit Camp Wood a couple days early to explore, then lead a group of smallish dualsports on Saturday.

I'm thinking:

SR55 to Barksdale,
west on CR210/Spring Creek Road into Barksdale (guidebook CR380),
lunch and uel in Barksdale,
north on CR24
west on the other Cedar Creek Road/CR208 (guidebook CR 355), becomes CR201 at White Mountain Road and turns south,
south on SR674,
northeast on unnamed road that Alamo Village Road ends at,
east on Tularoosa Road,
south on CR399,
north (east) on Nueces Road,
north (east) on unnamed road (CR415 in Uvalde County),
which will put us on SR55, 5-6 miles south of Camp Wood.





You and yours are welcome to join me in the Smokies--I can offer a free non-smoking room for a few days the first week in July.

[Richard Gibbens]

Ken,

I made the master map by taking pages out of the Roads of Texas Atlas and glueing them to a large display map, so I can't copy it for you.

If you want to call me we can discuss the various roads while both of us reference the Roads of Texas atlas. That's the best way I can think of for us to do a Vulcan Mind-Meld on the roads in that area.

[kenh]

You can take your map to an Office Depot. They have large format copiers and printers. They can copy individual pages and shrink them to fit in a tank bag map pocket. Cheap, too. It'll take about 5 minutes. I can also make a road trip with a couple 6-packs. ;D

I'm not happy with the Mapsco. They don't show enough detail, especially lacking many smaller roads. I'll email a .bmp of the maps I use. They ain't perfect, but they work.

[trailryder42]

Me and 2 others did ride 3 on day 2. In the ride guide it says to take CR350 east to CR353, then CR353 south to CR380. 353 to 380 is wrong. 380 only goes west off of 353, a right turn across a water crossing. You have to go past the turn about 20 yards and look behind you to see the sign for 380. We took that thinking it would lead to Camp Wood and it doesn't. We had to backtrack after realizing it 5 miles later. That curve to the east of the road leading into Barksdale is still 353, not 380.

Hope this helps.

kenh said:

From Ride 3: CR 380 east to Barksdale

[Richard Gibbens]

trailryder42,

Did you happen to look at the roadsign there in Barksdale where the CR intersects Hwy 55? I believe it indicates the road is CR 380 though I will double-check it the next time I am down in that area.

[Richard Gibbens]

Ken,

A while back many CR#s were changed due to the implementation of the 911 system in rural Texas counties. Unfortunately, most maps have not yet been updated with the new CR#s. CR210 is an example of this. That road used to be CR210 but now it is CR380. The county erected new road signs with the updated CR#. I did my best to reflect the new CR#s knowing that as you rode the area you would see road signs with the new CR#.

[trailryder42]

Ya know, I didn't, sorry. The way the road is at that point of 380 west and 353, it's not really an intersection. If you didn't take notice of the creek crossing on your right as you ride down 353, you'd never know you weren't on the same road(353) that you've spent the last several miles on. Until we find out for sure how they have numbered that, I'm just saying, don't be too concerned about finding a 380 east sign when you're on 353 headed for Barksdale. Just stay on the same road(353) that you've been on since turning off of 350 and it takes you right into town.

admin said:

trailryder42,

Did you happen to look at the roadsign there in Barksdale where the CR intersects Hwy 55? I believe it indicates the road is CR 380 though I will double-check it the next time I am down in that area.

[scsmith33]

ok i hope i can clear a little of this up. 674 doesn't run out of rocksprings you have to take 377 a couple of miles west then turn south on 674. ceder creek rd is also cr350 but it is marked as ceder creek rd off of 674. its about 30 miles south on 674. cr350 runs to hwy 55 a few miles north of barksdale. cr 310 or white mnt rd is off of 350 about 15 miles (old red house and stock pens on the north side of the rd at a silver bump gate) it runs north and comes out at the edwards county airport about 5 miles south of rocksprings.
ok now the cr 353 and 380. as you come into barksdale north or south cr 380 is the second street to the west. a few miles west of barksdale cr 380 crosses pullam creek to the south if you continue straight west thats where it turns into 353.
i'm not sure exact miles on all of this but i will drive it all in the next few days and let everyone know.
now anyone planning to stop in barksdale to eat and get fuel is going to starve and run out of gas. the only thing of any inportance in barksdale is the post office and the area high school. but if you get that lost and stop at the high school tell my ol lady hi.
the cr 21+ numbers are old county rd. numbers 15+ years old.
don't try to plan any trips off of google or yahoo maps there all wrong you will end up upsetting property owners and run into locked gates.
Tularoosa Road starts on rr 334 and dead ends into the tularoosa ranch (locked gate note a county rd) cr 415 starts off of hwy 55 and dead ends
Dry Creek Road is in barksdale and runs east a few miles and dead ends
market rd is the first rd in barksdale. it does loop around but is no longer a county rd. the gates aren't locked but if anyone tryes to ride it i bet you'll get shot at.